out of tune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[woodchuck30]

Hay guys,got 2 cents worth, check the bearings on the tremlo piviot, might be dirty or gumed up, and not rolling free and hanging up. Also, had a problem on my jag once the string tree was giving me some problems, I know mosrite doesn't have a string tree, but the srting guide does the same thing basically. In my case I used some chap stick and it worked fine. One of the guys sugested graphite which is good, but oh so messy.

Al

[brunob]

sorry,no bearings in the Ranger.....................so what the heck..................,it's ok for 1-2 songs,but after..................

[dubtrub]

Without re-reading the entire topic, does your guitar have roller string saddles? Also the bearings would be at the axel at the tail stop area pivots on. Try lubricating these areas even if your string saddles are non roller but the groove type. Sounds like friction somewhere during the string path. The Mosrite type vibrato are one of the best for returning to pitch as long as there is no friction and everything moves freely.

I'll try to find an old topic where someone was having problems where the vibrato was was binding at the pivoting tail stop. It was binding against the housing are that encased the bearing.

[dubtrub]

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[raygun85]

Bruno, try this stuff:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--BIBGRVLBR

I picked up a sample at the NAMM Show in 2009. Threw it in my desk and forgot about it for nearly a year. When we were having similar tuning problems with our 63 American protoypes we finally pin-pointed the culprit - the Zero-Fret. The Moseley vibratos are very well designed units and are extremely stable. The problem lies with the friction of the string as it slides over the zero-fret. As with ALL things zero-frets have their pro's and con's. Lube them up good with some of that stuff and I'm about 99% positive that it will solve your problem. Put a liberal amount on the zero-fret and go ahead an put some down in the string guide just to be absolutely sure. Contrary to popular belief, there is still friction at the string guide even if the strings are NOT touching the bottom of the string-guide. This is because IT IS a string-guide afterall, and the strings still touch the sides of the slots. I'm sorry, but that IS metal-to-metal friction. Even if by a little, it could be contributing to stability problems. You can also do the chapstix method, I have done this at gigs on the fly and it sufficed. You can also get some graphite lubricant. But, personally, I'm stuck on this Nut Sauce stuff for now. Probably not much difference between the graphite lubricant but I like it for now...

[olrocknroller]

I have found that if a string, or all strings stay flat out of a tremolo dive, you have strings "sticking" in the nut, or on the bridge. If it is only one or two strings, look for string slots that are narrow, nuts and bridges that are wobbly, and good old fashioned dirt in slots, stuck rollers in bridges etc.

If strings are going sharp, you likely have two problems, first a sticky tremolo mechanism, and secondly a spring(s) that were balanced with a sticky tremolo, which invariably means the spring tension is now set too high. First, find why and fix the sticky mechanism, then tune the tremolo to your chosen string sizes by bringing it into balance (ie. equal range for up and down movement) with the strings at pitch. This is a tedious job, but when done right, you will fall in love with trem's all over again!

olrocknroller

[MissionBrown]

I'm having this problem on my guitar.
If I vibrato up, then it goes back in tune, but if I vibrato down, even with a tighter spring, it stays a bit flat.
I've looked for sticking strings, but everything moves freely.

Its kind of upsetting as it's cost me a lot of cash, and I bought it specifically because the tremolo had a rep for being quite good.
My cheapie teisco tremolo is a similar concept, but gives me no trouble.

What can I do to fix the bearing in the vibrato base?
I've lightly oiled all of the moving parts + the nut and they don't seem to stick when I move it back and forth, but clearly it is sticking somewhere.

[pampa]

i had similar problems with a gretsch tennessee rose. no way to get it tuned.
my solution was a bit drastic - i switched on .13-.56 gauge strings (because at the time i read somewhere on the internet that bigsby bridges "needed" heavy gauges), i mount them with some strong "stretching" session, and then i can forget the tuner for weeks: it's tuned and it will stay there for a long (reasonably long, for me surprisingly long) time.
whole time spent on string switching and stretching session: 20 minutes.
i know, hard to believe (and honestly hard to play too), but since i've used heavy gauge and payed attention on mounting, had no more trouble in losing the tuning.

[oigun]

I'm having this problem on my guitar.
If I vibrato up, then it goes back in tune, but if I vibrato down, even with a tighter spring, it stays a bit flat.
I've looked for sticking strings, but everything moves freely.

Its kind of upsetting as it's cost me a lot of cash, and I bought it specifically because the tremolo had a rep for being quite good.
My cheapie teisco tremolo is a similar concept, but gives me no trouble.

What can I do to fix the bearing in the vibrato base?
I've lightly oiled all of the moving parts + the nut and they don't seem to stick when I move it back and forth, but clearly it is sticking somewhere.

Are all the strings flat after the bend? If so its eiter the vibrato that is not coming back in its original position , or the bridge moved. If only a few strings are flat it is stringbound.

[MissionBrown]

Still no luck.

I've got a couple of bits of soft plastic (from hot a roll of hot glue, not melted) which hold the bridge in place as it was rocking previously.

The strings all stay flat, the bridge rollers move.
Ao I guess I need to take the tremolo apart again.
Should I use de-greaser on the bearings or is there something else I can do to loosen them up?

Problem is I don't get much time to try these things at the moment.
Am thinking about taking it to a tech, give someone else the headache.